Apart from the sex-by-deception case that’s in court again this week, there’s another sex-related case doing the rounds of the internet at the moment. I find this one very interesting for the liberal dilemma that it raises, being the case of the man “banned” by the court from having sex (The Telegraph) because his IQ is “too low”.
Firstly, let’s refer to the exact court report to clear up a few bits that have been misreported elsewhere. Most notably, he appears to be bisexual, not gay, but towards the homosexual end of the spectrum. Secondly, it’s not specifically his IQ that’s discussed beyond the opening paragraphs but more his inability to understand the consequences (Health risks and pregnancy) of his actions. The judge himself notes that 0.5% of the population have an IQ that’s 50 or below (In this case, his IQ is 48) which equates to quarter of a million adults. I hope we’re not about to try to stop quarter of a million people having sex, even if it was possible to do so.
And finally, the order is merely to leave existing restrictions in place for six months while sex education is organised.
Although it’s not in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, I regard reproduction as a fairly basic human right. If we consider it otherwise, we’re crossing a dangerous line into eugenics such as the forced sterilization carried out in Australia and other countries. You can probably already tell from my choice of language that I don’t approve of such things. Control over ones own body is important and certainly an issue that the Trans community struggles with against those who think they know best.
The council are in a tight spot. If he was not being looked after full time by them, they would not have a duty of care towards him and it would not, from what I can see, be an issue. At least that means we don’t have to stop those other 249,999 people from also having sex. There is a separate problem that he’s unable to appreciate who it is and isn’t appropriate to approach for such things – it seems he’s not able to understand that children are off limits for example – but as he’s being closely supervised at the moment that doesn’t seem to be an immediate concern.
But they do have a duty of care and the court does conclude, rightly or wrongly, that he’s incapable of giving informed consent as he does not understand the risks or take appropriate precautions. (He was unable to demonstrate how to put a condom on a a fake penis) If he can’t give informed consent and the council permitted him to have sex while under their care, they’re possibly allowing an illegal act to take place.
They’re faced with the choice between violating what can be regarded as pretty basic rights or possibly allowing him to come to harm while in their care.
I think the judge came up with the right solution with the temporary restriction, merely because it may render a morally difficult question moot in teh longer term if the sex education is deemed successful. The psychological staff did not want to attempt this as they felt it unlikely to work and might just confuse and upset him. But a permanent ban could be seen as draconian and he’s expressed an interest in being allowed to have sexual relations again.
Originally posted at Complicity
February 7 2011, 14:56:54 UTC 1 year ago
Potentially scary stuff!
February 8 2011, 09:34:08 UTC 1 year ago
February 8 2011, 11:48:22 UTC 1 year ago
February 8 2011, 16:55:25 UTC 1 year ago
You mention the carers dealing with this - would they have to somehow "vet" people he has relationships with? I don't like that idea too much either but it would at least stop anyone taking advantage or him getting himself into hot water by approaching the wrong people so is an improvement.
February 8 2011, 17:31:24 UTC 1 year ago
'Care in the community' has obviously created a lot of issues in this sort of area- one of the many examples of the law of unintended consequences kicking it after that approach took over in the late seventies/early eighties.
February 7 2011, 17:43:07 UTC 1 year ago
IQ aside, it's fairly evident to say that it's very difficult to grok risk, and hardly anyone does (see: Bruce Schneier, Nassim Taleb, Charles Perrow).
(And, of course, there's the possibility that whoever's sleeping with this guy understands health risks & pregnancy better than he does, and manages to apply a condom at the appropriate moment. I realise, that's a bit like hurling oneself into the road, and hoping that the oncoming driver is paying attention...)
reproduction as a fairly basic human right
Reproduction, sexual expression, or both? (And where does this leave prisoners?)
February 8 2011, 09:44:55 UTC 1 year ago
Perhaps one could make a case that nobody should be allowed to have sex until they can demonstrate an understanding of the statistical risk of various actions, including appropriate use of evidence?
(And, of course, there's the possibility that whoever's sleeping with this guy understands health risks & pregnancy better than he does, and manages to apply a condom at the appropriate moment. I realise, that's a bit like hurling oneself into the road, and hoping that the oncoming driver is paying attention...)
The judge makes the point that you can either consent or not consent to sexual relations, not "consent to sex with X and not to Y". It would be illogical, strange and hard to enforce, for example, to mandate that he can only have sex with someone of an IQ above 80.
Reproduction, sexual expression, or both? (And where does this leave prisoners?)
Both. There has been argument about conjugal visits before now but in the UK it's not currently allowed. Arguably this is a necessary side effect of imprisonment in single-gender accommodation for the majority of the (straight) population. However, only very few people have a sentence/tariff that will mean they spend longer than 10 years inside (From http://www.justice.gov.uk/publicati
February 8 2011, 14:36:56 UTC 1 year ago
Well, one could, but bump slide whoosh thump slippery slope Godwin ouch.
February 7 2011, 20:10:40 UTC 1 year ago
:O That rule still exists? ...also, what are they actually trying to say there, as the most probably reading (IMHO) is that it requires both "incapacity" and refusal, as opposed to one or other.
....furtherly also, I never realised "incapacity" was a grounds. And what do they mean? Impotence, lack of genitals? lack of 'any slot' or 'any probe' to correspond with spouse? *is boggles*
February 8 2011, 09:49:16 UTC 1 year ago
I do wonder if such clauses would survive a marriage equality bill. How would you define consummation in a lesbian marriage?
February 8 2011, 11:50:53 UTC 1 year ago
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February 8 2011, 14:40:03 UTC 1 year ago
That crazy statement from the late Justice Ormrod that: 'the difference between vaginal intercourse and anal intercourse is only a matter of inches.'
Well so it is in all women you dick!
April's surgery would have been largely cosmetic not fully receptive like yours or mine, but that's hardly the point is it?
February 8 2011, 14:31:16 UTC 1 year ago
(Alternatively, tea).
February 8 2011, 14:38:50 UTC 1 year ago
And tea is good :o)